Injabulo yaphela ngokugqashuka kwempi, iTabakov yayineminyaka eyisithupha kuphela. Ubaba nomama - odokotela - benza umsebenzi wabo, futhi okuyinhloko ekuphileni kwakuyizinkhulukazi abanothando. Kusukela ethandweni lomgwaqo umfana wanquma ukusindisa embuthweni wezemidlalo weNdlu yabaPhayona nabasesikoleni. Eqinisweni, konke kwaqala lapho. Yiyona eyinhloko ye-studios yaseSaratov, u-Oleg Pavlovich usacabanga ngokuthi "unkulunkulukazi kulo msebenzi.
Ngokungafani nabo osebenza nabo abaningi, ekuphileni kwakhe siqu u-Oleg Tabakov kwakungadingeki ukuba adonsele amanyuvesi asezingeni eliphezulu - wabhalisa ngesikhathi esisodwa kuya ezifundweni ezimbili - kuGITIS naseMoscow Art Theater School ebizwa ngokuthi uNemirovich-Danchenko ... wakhetha i-Moscow Art Theater School-Studio. Kusukela ngaleso sikhathi ubelokhu edlala ... Uhlu lwezindima zakhe emidlalo yaseshashalazini kanye ne-cinema lwathatha ikhasi elingaphezu kwelilodwa, kanye nokufundisa (hhayi kuphela eRussia, kodwa nakwamanye amazwe: izinkulumo zakhe eMelika zazihlangene noMrray Abraham noDustin Hoffman) amathiyetha amabili - i-Moscow Art Theatre. I-Chekhov ne-"Snuffbox" edume kakhulu ... Kodwa uzibiza ngokuthi akayena umqondisi, kodwa "umphathi wezinhlekelele", owakwazi ukuvuselela kuphela ezikhathini ezinzima zezemidlalo, kodwa futhi ukubuyisela ababukeli lapho. Ukuphila komuntu siqu kaThabakov kuxoxwa ngenjabulo: iminyaka engu-15 idlulile kusukela emshadweni weTabakov oneminyaka engu-60 ubudala, umdlali wezintatheli u-Marina Zudina oneminyaka engu-30 ubudala, futhi izingxabano ngalesi sihloko azizange zifinyelele kuze kube manje. Phakathi naleso sikhathi, uThabakov, hhayi ngokukhathazeka ngokubaluleka kokubalwa kukaMarina (ngaphambi komshado, ubuhlobo bawo abuzange bube neminyaka engaba ngu-12 noma ngaphezulu), ujabule ngokuzalwa kwezingane - uPaul noMas. Kuzo ukuthi ubona incazelo yokuphila kanye nomthombo wamandla
Ngejubili yakhe 75 uhoxisa ngenkuthalo, udlala iTartuffe esiteji, uqondisa amashayetha, unikeza izimbali abesifazana abathandekayo futhi uzama ukuhambisana nentsha yanamuhla. Mayelana nomsebenzi okhungathekile, mayelana nobuhlobo phakathi kwabantu nabantu ababukeli - u-Oleg Tabakov uthe ku-interview.
- Uyazi, Oleg Pavlovich, nabantu abanjengawe, awufuni ukukhuluma ngalokho okucacile kusuka ezindabeni zakho, izindima.
Siyabonga ngalokho!
- Lokhu kungokwenu kukho konke.
Yebo, nginento ethile? Ngenza into engiyithandayo, futhi ngiletha injabulo kwabanye! Kuvela ukuthi yena uqobo uyajabula, futhi ngenza nabanye bajabule. Ngakho, wena, isibonelo, uzizwa ujabule uma ubheka i-movie enhle noma ukusebenza?
- kakhulu!
Ngisho noma kungatholakali lutho olusha, oluzwakalayo noma olubonwayo?
- Noma kunjalo!
Nangu wena - umbukeli owazi kahle kakhulu. "Kusuka enkundleni yethu," njengoba abazalwane abenzayo bethi!
- Uhlala uxhumana nomphakathi. Ingabe unesithakazelo futhi uyayidinga ngemva kwakho konke okubonayo, ufunde?
O, o ... Yebo. Ngikhuluma njalo nezilaleli zami. E-bazaar, esitolo, nomakhelwane lapho befika khona. Yiqiniso, angizikhathazi ngokwami. Ungacabangi ngalutho olunjalo. Ngihlale ngilalela abantu abafuna ukusho okuthize, ukuthola. Phela, mina ngokwami ngangisemncane.
- Kanjani?
Futhi lapha! Ngaphandle kwenkosi ekhanda lami (ehleka). Kuyisiphetho sobusha nentsha ukuhlala njengento egijima emasimini ngama-daisies nama-cornflowers. Kuzo zonke izibini, ukushayela, ukuhamba.
- Uma ubheka ubudala, phakathi kwabalandeli iTabakov abasencane noma abadala?
Abalandeli bami bahle ngoba baningi, futhi bahlukile. Ihluke kakhulu. Futhi othile okhuphuka nenqwaba yeminduze yesigodi, futhi othile uletha ibhasikidi lezimbali, futhi usalokhu enika imali enkundleni yaseshashalazini. Into eyinhloko ukuthi bonke bafika enkundleni yemidlalo ngenxa yothando ngami, futhi ngenxa yalokho bathola injabulo nemicabango evela kukho konke okuphelele. Yilokho okubalulekile. Uyakwazi? Into eyinhloko ukuthi ngamunye wabo (kahle, ngithemba ukuthi wonke umuntu), owafika embonini yaseshashalazini, ubheka izindonga zakhe ngendlela ehluke ngokuphelele nomoya.
- Ingabe kukhona ukusebenza empilweni yakho okwenze "umuntu ohlukile"?
Ngineminyaka engu-75 ubudala! Futhi ngithandile imidlalo yaseshashalazini kusukela ebuntwaneni. Ucabanga ukuthi kungaba khona into enje empilweni yami? Yiqiniso, kwakunjalo. Omunye umbuzo wukuthi lapho uneminyaka engama-75, akubona bonke owakhumbula kakade. Ngokuqondile, akunjalo. Khumbula, kodwa hhayi okuhle kakhulu. Uyazi, ngoba inkumbulo yabantu ihlelwe ngendlela ethi ibhokisi lethu lihlale lihle kakhulu kunokubi. Ngakho mayelana nemidlalo eyenziwe yashintsha mina. Yiqiniso, lezi yizinto ezikhiqizwa yi-Contemporary, imidlalo yamaLyubimov. Kodwa into ebaluleke kakhulu yimidlalo yanamuhla. Ubani abambelela futhi benza izivivinyo kimi namuhla. Lezi yizinhlelo zikaNina Chusova, iKirill Serebrennikov, uRaikin, uMashikov, Butusov. Angizange ngibhale konke lokhu okude.
- Wenzani ukugcina ithalenta?
Ithenda? Ngabe sengicabanga ukuthi uzokhuluma ngamafomu ami ngendlela ehlelekile. Eqinisweni, empilweni, ukucabangela kokubheka kubalulekile. Ngesikhathi usencane, ubona konke okokuqala. Futhi ngokuvamile, ukubonakala okunamandla kakhulu, imibono mayelana nezwe isethwe eminyakeni emibili kuya kwemihlanu, ngakho-ke indima yabazali lapha iphezulu kakhulu. Futhi kancane kancane iminyango ivaliwe, amabhokisi agcwele, futhi uqala ukusebenzisa okuphakathi. Kancane kancane, ulahlekelwa isithakazelo kulokho okukuzungezile. Ngokungazelelwe, ngesizathu esithile kubonakala sengathi lapho usencane, futhi umculo wawungcono, futhi izincwadi zithandeka kakhulu. Ngendlela, lokhu akunjalo njalo. Ama-aesthetics aseduze nathi ashintsha - akunakugwemeka.
- Njengoba wena ngokwakho wathi ngesimo ... Ucabanga ngamaphilisi angaphezulu?
Ukube bengingenanga, bengingacabangi. Ngikhuluma ngesono sobuqili, ngendlela. Ngokwejwayelekile, ukusebenza ngilahlekelwa ngu-800 amagremu kuya kilogram. Kodwa njengoba ukulahlekelwa kungenakwenzeka, ngilapha, futhi ngiyalibuyisela ngama-pie amahlanu. Ukudla kwami konke!
- Uhlangabezane nenjabulo yobubaba izikhathi ezine. Yikuphi okwesabekayo, okungavamile?
UPasha noMasha, ababeletha uMarina. USasha, indodakazi yomshado wokuqala, u-Anton - ungumfana. Futhi amadoda ahlale eqala ukufuna abafana. Ngabona u-Anton esibhedlela, ngangiqonda ngokushesha - yami! Ngokuvamile, ubuhle nobunzima bobaba baba nomuzwa lapho u-Anton noSasha befunda esikoleni esiphakeme. Lapho sekukhona izikole ezithile, izinkinga ezisencane. Khona-ke ngabona ukuthi nginobophezele kubo, nangenxa yezenzo zabo. Kwakukhona ngisho nendaba enjalo - u-Anton wasiqeda ingilazi, endaweni ethile kanye nabafana esiteshini samasango esangweni, wayeseboshiwe ngamaphoyisa, futhi ngemva kwalokho akazange ahambe esikoleni isikhathi eside. Ngabe sengicabanga ukuthi: "Ngabe kukhona okwenzayo okungalungile? Mhlawumbe izingane zami aziboni ukuthi zingaphila? "Kodwa, ngobuqotho, uPasha noMasha - lokhu kuyinjabulo yami. Ngifudumele nje kubo. Futhi ziphakathi kwami. Sinemidlalo yethu, izingxoxo, namatoli anefilimu. Lapho uMarina ehamba endaweni ethile yokudubula noma ukuvakasha, asinaso isidingo sama-nannies. Ngiyithatha, ngiyahamba yonke indawo, futhi nabo, baziphathe njengezingelosi. Ngabo ngokwabo.
Ngesibindi. Khona-ke, yiqiniso, abanye abalingisi bavele. Leyokhanda liphonswa emuva, bese ububula ngandlela-thile ngendlela ekhethekile. Kuyamangalisa.
- Abantu abaningi bayazi ukuthi unomthwalo wemidlalo emibili yeshashalazi, lapho izinkanyezi zeshashalazi yaseRussia ne-cinema zisebenza. Konke bavume ngokusobala futhi ngasese ukuthi ungumholi omkhulu, ohlukile. Ngesikhathi esifanayo, udlala emidlalo yaseshashalazini, udlala iminyaka engu-75 esiteji, wenza amafilimu futhi uhlale unomusa wesimanje ... kanjani ukuhlanganisa? Indlela yokuphatha?
Kulula kakhulu. Udinga ukuthanda umsebenzi wakho. Yenza ibhizinisi lakho ozithandayo kuphela. Khuluma nabantu abathandayo. Nika njalo ithuba lokulungisa futhi ungakheli idumela, kodwa yiba njalo. Futhi ukuze abe yigunya phakathi kwabantu abaneminyaka engu-20-30, umuntu kufanele akhumbule lokho ayekuphupha yena ebusheni bakhe. Kodwa lokhu akuyona into esemqoka.
- Yabelana ngokuyinhloko?
Funda i-Shakespeare. "Hamlet" yincwadi lapho ungathola khona izimpendulo eziningi nemibuto emisha. Ngesinye isikhathi, mhlawumbe, ngangineminyaka engaba ngu-30-33 ubudala, ngathi umbhalo weHamati:
"Umkhuba uyisitha sayo yonke impilo," futhi waqala ukuphila ngendlela efanayo! Ungasetshenzisiwe, kodwa uphile. Nakuba ngithanda induduzo. Ukudla okuhle - ngiyakuthanda. Ukuhlala nabangani endaweni yokudlela enhle - ngokuqinisekile. Lapho bekhombisa ibhola noma iHockey - Angiyikushiya indlu nhlobo. Ngakho-ke zigwebe wena-imikhuba yami imbi noma cha.
- Futhi ekuphileni Oleg Tabakov - umuntu oyingozi kubathandekayo?
Uyini wena ... Ungubani ... Ngingumuntu oyisimiso sokuphila, njengoba uCarlson esho. Nginakho konke okukhululekile ekuphileni kwami kwansuku zonke. Ngidinga amancane, kodwa ukhonkolo. Lokhu kungukuthi, uma indodana kaPasha ikwazi ukuthi ekuseni ngiphuza itiye elimnyama ngezipuni ezintathu zeshukela, isinkwa esimhlophe nebhotela ne-apricot jam, bese ngidla ukudla kwasekuseni ngithola lokho nje.
- Uziqeqeshile yini?
Cha, akunjalo. Ungubani ... Kungokuthi thina emndenini wethu senziwa ukwenza omunye nomunye ajabule futhi omuhle. Kubesifazane babo - ngomqondo womfazi nendodakazi - ngihlale nginika izimbali njengaleyo. Kungcono ukukhohlwa ngo-Mashi 8, ngoba wonke umuntu wenza lokhu. Kodwa khumbula njalo ngezipho nezimbali - lokhu, ngokombono wami, kulungile kakhulu.
- Nicer. Nginitshela lokhu njengowesifazane!
Yilokho engicabanga ngakho! Futhi ngifisa sengathi eceleni komfazi ngamunye kwakukhona indoda eyamkhumbula nje, hhayi ngamaholidi asemthethweni.
- Futhi ucabangani owesifazane wesimanje?
Inkululeko emkhakheni wezinhlelo kanye nemigodi ukuthi abesifazane abathandekayo bakwazi ukuzuza phezu kwekhulu leminyaka elidlule. Noma kunjalo - funda ukuthi ungafihli imizwa. Udinga ukuvuleka nokukhuluma
- "Ngithanda", "Ngifuna", "Ngiyazi".
"Kodwa amadoda ayethanda imifino." Kungani kufanele sibeke wonke amakhadi phambi kwakho ngesikhathi esisodwa?
Yingakho akwanele ukuba abe ngowesifazane kuphela. Kuyadingeka ukuba ube ngowesifazane ohlakaniphile ozokusho lokhu ukuze indoda, uma ingamthandi, iyocabanga: "Kuthiwani uma ikusasa lami?" Uyabona? Akekho oyoke athi ngizobambisana namandla. Futhi kumangala kanjani wonke umuntu lapho ebonisa ukuthi ngingakwazi. Ucabanga ukuthi ngivela ezifisweni ezinkulu? Cha! Ngangifuna nje ukuthi kule ndawo yaseshashalazini, eyayiyiminyaka eminingi ihlanganiswe emasimini nasezakhiweni ezihlukahlukene, yenziwa ukulungiswa kwangempela kubadlali abathunga ama-chic, izingubo zangempela. Ukuthi abalingisi bangakwazi ukukwenza ngokulandela ukudla okujwayelekile futhi okuhlwabusayo ekamelweni lokudlela, baphuze itiye egumbini labo lokugqoka bese kuthi ngo-7: 00 ukuze baphume kahle, baqoqwe futhi bashintshe, ukuze banqobe umbukeli. Lokhu kungenxa yalokho konke, nginomqhinga, kodwa ngobuqotho.
- Ungahambisani nomphimbo wengoma yakho?
Cha, akunjalo. Kulungile. Ngizophinda ngiyaphinda futhi. Konke engikwenzayo kunenjabulo kuphela ngenxa yokuthi ngiyaqonda ukubaluleka kwezenzo zami nokuthi yini efakazelayo.
Ingabe lo msebenzi?
Umkhankaso? Kuzwakala kakhulu. Cha, akunjalo. Uyazi, kumqondisi we-Jeni Butusov umqondisi we-geeni, uHamlet ubuza umbuzo othi "Ukuba noma ukungabi", kodwa "Yiba lokho okuyoba khona. Konke kulungiswa. " Ngakho-ke angizami ukuzikhohlisa ukwenza okuthile ngenxa yemidlalo yaseshashalazini, kodwa ngiyakwenza nje. Ukushona kuka-Ranevskaya, kusho uRanevskaya. Ngithemba, uzonginika isikhathi esiningi sokwenza izinto ezidingekayo.
"Ucabanga ngokufa?"
Angicabangi nje kuphela, ngiyazi okuningi ngakho!
"Ukhathele ukwesaba?"
Isifo sokuqala senhliziyo yami senzeka eneminyaka engu-29. Ngemva kwalokho, kwakunezikhathi ezithile, izenzakalo. Futhi njalo, kungakhathaliseki ukuthi nginesibindi kangakanani, ukufa kusabonisa ubuso bami. Ngakho ngibheke kuwo. Futhi okungaphezu kwesisodwa. Futhi lapho ngibhekile, ngiyazi ukuthi akufanelekile ukwesaba lo wesifazane osekhulile.